Here’s a Tip, Don’t Tip Your Waiters
February 20, 2018
When many foreigners first receive their bill after eating at a New York City restaurant, two things will take them by surprise: the sky-high prices they have to pay for a simple entree and the few lines at the bottom suggesting tip amounts that were provided for convenience. This is the disguise of a social norm in the United States that implies if you do not tip, you will be perceived as a rude, cheap and heartless customer. However, this expectation should be ignored.
The main argument in favor of tipping is that, without tips, the waiters will receive only their basic salary, which is too low. But is that really the customer’s problem? In an economy with a relatively free market, why should customers bother to accommodate their servers? That should be the employer’s problem. As a matter of fact, this is how most industries work. We tip waiters, but we do not tip sales associates or delivery men. These occupations also revolve around providing customers with a product. Furthermore, why do we tip waiters, when we do not tip the chefs who also took part in providing the service?
When we tip, we are actually creating the perfect incentive for employers to pay a low wage. U.S. labor laws state that an employer of a tipped employee must pay at least $2.13 per hour. If such amount and the employee’s gratuities do not add up to the federal minimum wage — which is currently $7.25 per hour — the employer must compensate the difference. However, this does not necessarily occur in reality, and the waiter ends up with a lower return for his work than what the law mandates. The unfortunate result is that waiters are more likely than other workers to fall into poverty.
Some may argue that waiters are paid according to their performance and, therefore, have the incentive to do a better job. However, this is another myth. A Cornell University study shows that service quality does not seem to be associated with the size of the tip. Determinant factors were customer’s sex, group size and the individual bill amount. This means that, contrary to popular belief, the better service a waiter provides does not mean he will get a higher tip. Furthermore, another study conducted by a team of Cornell University and Mississippi College professors demonstrated that there is racial discrimination in tipping, as black waiters get significantly lower gratuities than their white peers, regardless of the customer’s race. Under a fairer, non-tipped employee job regime, they would receive the same wage.
Tipping is not as bad as it seems — it is worse. Tipping culture indirectly fosters poverty and discrimination at the expense of employees who are not necessarily rewarded according to the service they provided. If politicians do not want to change the labor law, it is up to us, the customers, to generate adequate incentives for them to do it.
Opinions expressed on the editorial pages are not necessarily those of WSN, and our publication of opinions is not an endorsement of them.
A version of this appeared in the Tuesday, Feb. 20 print edition. Email Diego Maguina Razuri at [email protected].
F. You • Feb 2, 2023 at 8:20 am
Stop bitching and start fighting for fair wages. POS.
Polo • Apr 27, 2022 at 1:26 pm
As a server in WA State, you must claim at least 12.5% of your sales as tips at the end of your shift.. What this means, is that the state assumes that you’re receiving a 12.5% tip on every bill and they add that to the taxable income on your paycheck..
So.. when you go out to eat, receive full service and decide not to tip.. that employee essentially paid for part of your meal because the state assumes your cheap ass had the decency to tip your waiter like we’ve been doing in the US since the beginning of time..
In addition.. most restaurants splits tips buddy.. so yes, the gracious 10% tip you left after snapping at the waiter to fetch you your 5th refill of Diet Coke.. is in fact split between the waiter, the host, the Busser, the bar, and the kitchen.. after the entire team just had to wait for your entitled ass to finish your dessert an hour after closing time..
dolores van rompe • Dec 10, 2021 at 11:09 am
that’s so f&€%ing rude, you should be waiter before declaring people don’t have to tip you piece of ;). gonna suggest your boss not give you a bonus or half your pay!
if you’re too cheap to tip, get takeout and eat alone like where you write your half informed articles
Wade • Sep 15, 2021 at 1:32 am
No one should be expected to pay for an overpriced meal and then have to help pay the help as well. If these greedy corporations cant afford to pay their employees enough money to live on they shouldn’t be in business. Oh ….. I used to be a waiter by the way.
James Poplar • Dec 4, 2021 at 1:30 am
Then don’t go out to eat.
god6cant6help6u • Aug 30, 2021 at 2:13 pm
great article!!!!
LOL at comments .. look at all the poor complaining .. Europeans dont count, they are all poor.
LOL@CIVILIANSHEEP • Aug 28, 2021 at 5:02 pm
Lol the poor sure love complaining .. Typical Sheep .. Haha
Piet • Aug 6, 2021 at 1:48 am
I take great joy in the fact that ALL non tippers at at restaurant, that are regulars, have eaten and will continue to eat WAITER Spit. If we know you are not going to tip, you WILL eat spit
Carol Diotte • Jun 14, 2021 at 5:35 pm
Quite obvious that the writer of this article has never really experienced any fine dining. I believe this to be a good thing. Truly professional wait staff can sniff this sort of fool immediately. And will treat accordingly. Fine dining it’s such a enjoyable experience that he will never know.
Deda • Jun 14, 2021 at 12:20 am
I always tip, my bus driver, street car driver, subway driver and you can’t forget the garbage man, he always gets a full bag and a little tip inside the garbage can
Oy Vey The Goyim Know Shut It Down • Mar 30, 2021 at 10:29 pm
I blame the jews for this “tipping” bullshit
Nice scarf, diego • Mar 10, 2021 at 2:47 pm
Wow. Cancerous article, even worse comment section. It is funny though, Diego, your point of restaurant ownership providing a living Wage to support restaurant workers rather than delegates to the customer is the right idea- just everything else you wrote is under-researched, naive hot take garbage.
If people took you seriously, thank god they don’t, then millions of workers would get stiffed a tip and struggle harder. You offer no solution. The system would take years to restructure. Do you have good opinions? Write about those
James Poplar • Dec 4, 2021 at 1:49 am
This guy is an ignoramus to put it kindly. For one, you most certainly do not solve underpaying employees by further underpaying them. For two….guess what?! If the employer “properly” pays their server by paying them a “living” wage, as he so ignorantly refers to the minimum wage, YOU still foot the bill, both directly (higher menu prices), and indirectly (via the collective poverty this idiocy creates). Third, he repeatedly refers to servers as “he”…despite the statistical fact that most servers are women – who are already proportionately underpaid.
Fourth, cooks are OFTEN part of the tip pool…so yes you DO tip cooks….
Fifth….these servers you’re not tipping?….they’re forced to tip a percentage of their sales to host staff, bussers, cooks, wine stewarts, etc, regardlessof the tip they receive….which means that if you don’t tip them, or tip them less than the amount they’re required to tip out, they literally pay to wait on YOU.
Do your research before writing an article teeming with more fallacies than one can count. Pathetic.
And p.s. – you’re severely overpaid.
Americunt • Mar 1, 2021 at 4:01 am
You… are the only one getting defensive, my guy. Kmsl. You keep saying you can write whatever the FUCK you want, but then you cry like a baby back bitch when someone says something you don’t agree with. Lmao. Regardless, I feel that if you don’t like the idea of tipping, place your order to go or call it in, that way you’re not expecting to be waited on hand and foot for free like an entitled douchebag. You don’t wanna tip, take your food home, refill your own glass, clean your own mess, and wash your own dishes. But why would you want to go out to eat when you know your food is going to be handled by such idiots anyway, when you COULD just get your food to go? How is that not a legitimate solution for people who don’t believe in tipping…? Y’all sound like Karens lurking, looking for their first opportunity to pick a fight with complete strangers that’s just trying to make a living. Who hurt you, man? XD
Hello, my name is Mary, I'm a RETARD! I SORT GLAS-... no no... that's not it... I WALK AROUND WITH FOOD! • Mar 30, 2021 at 10:05 pm
Hello Mary. First of all, learn how to reply to comments, retard. I know you’re replying to me, and it doesn’t really take too much brain power, for those of us who have a brain here (which is ostensibly very little), to realize this.
>You keep saying you can write whatever the FUCK you want
I can. And I will. So please kill yourself, you retarded “baby back bitch” faggot named “Mary”. And I won’t just say what I want, I’ll also DO what I want, cowgirl.
>Regardless, I feel that if you don’t like the idea of tipping, place your order to go or call it in, that way you’re not expecting to be waited on hand and foot for free like an entitled douchebag.
Said the “entitled douchebag”, who feels entitled to extra money from customers. Also, nobody cares bitch. I’ll do what the fuck I want, so go fuck yourself. You chose that job, knowing full well what it entails. If you don’t like your job, then quit. If I didn’t like a job description, its duties, or what comes with the territory of the goddamn job in the first place, then… let’s me see here… Oh, that’s right: I would probably not take on the fucking job. Boom. Are you really so disabled upstairs that you really don’t understand something as barefaced and basic, such as this? And also, if you start a job without doing your due diligence, such as researching the employers, rankings, terms and conditions, etc., and then finding out later you absolutely fucking HATE the company policies, well, that’s your own fault, honey.
ALSO learn to READ, you mentally disabled, special needs child. Given your “intelligence”, or in your case, a complete lack thereof, your job is completely apt for you, and you’ve just proven everything I’ve said previously about your kind being idiots. Lulz. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy…
Finally, key word: “IDEA”. That’s ALL it is: a mere idea.
>But why would you want to go out to eat when you know your food is going to be handled by such idiots anyway
Ditto. Also, idiots like you are necessary, at least for the time being. Until you are completely replaced by machines, that is.
>You don’t wanna tip, take your food home, refill your own glass, clean your own mess, and wash your own dishes.
No.
Why not? Because fuck you. That’s why.
And it’s your job, so fucking do it bitch.
>Y’all sound like Karens lurking, looking for their first opportunity to pick a fight with complete strangers that’s just trying to make a living.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAND this has absolutely fuck all to do with the rest of the comment…
>Y’all
So, you’re not just an Americunt, but also a southern redneck Americunt. Sweet home Alabama.
>Who hurt you, man? XD
I’m invincible, CUNT!
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In closing, given your complete lack of brain, logic, and with your actual brain being a muddy brick, my advice to you is: STAY A WAITER. Forever. You’ve found your calling, honey, and that’s a job that’s absolutely perfect for you.
tl;dr: You are a stupid Americunt with a shitty job who probably lives on welfare, and yet feels entitled to disproportionate sums of cash for doing a job that any retard off the street could do.
GOD6CANT6HELP6u • Feb 1, 2021 at 3:34 pm
100%%%
People who complain about tips are just kids who never got a real career or job. Go to school or join the military CIVILIAN SHEEP. there’s your tip Civilian .
Who Hurt You • Feb 3, 2021 at 9:56 pm
Lol yes the military is such a “real career” — it’s a service no one would pay you to do without government taxation. We should just cut military benefits and wages and all of those soldiers should get real jobs that require providing real benefits to people.
look at this kid • Feb 4, 2021 at 10:46 pm
lol typical coward
john simpson • Oct 20, 2021 at 2:51 pm
typical civilian sheep
Jessica Eversole • Dec 6, 2020 at 1:21 am
Do you like to be Paid for your Job??? How about your boss just pays you when he wants or feels like it!!! Washington people please do not come out to Idaho and eat!! We dont get paid min wage, get paid only $3.15 hour and expect those tips and I do have another job. No, they don’t pay that minimum wage if you don’t get it. You just get screwed, because they automatically put 10% of the price of your meal as a tip on my pay stub. Whether you tip your server at all!! I still have to pay out for those drinks tip my bartender a percentage , the food Runner , the busser. Get a better job then who’s going to serve you and give you that service you like? If you don’t like it go to fast food, pick up after yourself. If you can’t afford to tip tell the owner that so they’ll charge you more for your plate of food, so they can pay your server! Dumbasses
Richard • Jun 26, 2020 at 7:55 am
Very easy fix…
Don’t sit in the restaurant and eat take out…
I don’t believe in tipping so I prove my point getting takeout.
If a server bends over backwards for your dine-in experience then a tip has been earned.
“Earned” is the word of importance here.
And if your tipping a server at a takeout counter then your a moron. Because they have done nothing to earn it.
Let’s take for example going to the movie theater…
I’m not going to go back to the movie theater ticket booth and give the the cashier a tip because the movie I watched was amazing. Funny enough.. I don’t go to theaters to watch many movies because the quality of content is at a horrible low..
It is an expectation of the business to provide a great service this way they can build a customer list based of the quality of their product and and employees. If the food is horrible then I am not going back to the restaurant. If the service is horrible then I am not going back to the restaurant.
If the food tastes horrible, I will not tip the server. I don’t care if the server is not at fault…
The owner of the business did not do there job providing a good service for the customer..
and if the customer does not get good service then most like the customer will not return back..
The Truth • Oct 15, 2020 at 11:03 pm
I have an absolute groundbreaking idea, Dick: how about forgetting all this he/she “earned” bullshit, and go to a restaurant as normal, and only pay the cost of the meal itself (and no more), because you expect the servers to do a good job, not because they feel entitled to extra money from the customers, but because it’s simply THEIR JOB TO PROVIDE SAID SERVICE in the first place? Did this ever occur to you? Well, of course it didn’t! Of course it didn’t, Dick.
Also, your “example” (of what?) at the end are extremely stupid, and they don’t make any sense at all. Really, the only job of the servers is to bring your food and drink from the kitchen expedition shelf, to the customers’ tables. That. Is. It. Truth be told, any idiot off the street, who can walk, can do this job. Really, these peoples’ occupations are really nothing special, and for them to be so entitled to extra money from the customers, is quite frankly, bizarre.
Not only that, but with the age of automation coming into swing, eventually most jobs, including servers, and kitchen cooks, will become fully automated, doing jobs that were previously done by humans much more efficiently, faster, with lower cost, thereby eliminating millions of human jobs. Machines don’t need salaries, let alone “tips”, just some routine maintenance; in the future, your food in restaurants may be served to you via carousel, or a conveyor belt, as is the case already in some places in Japan.
PS: Also any butthurt servers IRL who see this comment and get triggered over the fact that I spoke the truth and said that any idiot could do the job: well, it’s true, ANY IDIOT CAN DO YOUR JOB and you are 200% REPLACEABLE. And guess what, like I said above, in 10-20 years, your jobs will possibly be completely eliminated and taken over by machines. And if you don’t like what comes with the territory of the occupation, then find a different job! You have a choice at the end of the day, whether you want to come to terms with it, or not.
Da Truth • Nov 14, 2020 at 8:37 am
Lmao the pitiful truth needs to relax before it gets an aneurysm. Ok weasel, you’re a huge hypocrite, good job loser. If you were not such a idiot you would understand what I’m talking about. Pathetic.
Richard Is A Colossal Baby Faggot • Mar 30, 2021 at 9:10 pm
I smell DEFEAT, pain, and sadness.
>Ok weasel, you’re a huge hypocrite, good job loser. If you were not such a[sic] idiot you would understand what I’m talking about. Pathetic.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!11!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!11!!
…is there a baby crying here or something lol
Retard, nobody cares. Kill yourself faggot.
And don’t slice your wrists over it, big Dicky boy.
meron mcarthur • Jun 15, 2020 at 12:00 am
Tipping is a sham. What makes wait staff so special? If they expect, usually-undeclared-from-the-tax-office tips to bring up their wage then why should that not apply to all service people who make crap wages? In Australia the service is great and guess what – no tipping. And all these people saying that the price of food would go up, then fine. At least the entire staff would earn a decent wage and not just those getting better tips because of whatever reason. So, if you care about fairness and everyone earning a decent wage, then have the restaurant industry do what ever other industry does, pay your employees. And yes I have worked as a server and in the kitchen so don’t bother with the you’ve never been a server comments.
Your moms nigger ass • May 31, 2020 at 4:44 am
Then serve your own food fuck face. Be honest with your server up front if you’re not gonna tip. See how much fucking service you get. Economy 101 states that if servers get paid a living wage your food price doubles. So just tip 20 percent. Or pay 100 percent more when shit changes.
You are a racist cunt, and you should just kill yourself. • Oct 15, 2020 at 10:33 pm
FUCK YOU. You think you’re so “clever”, rapping your greasy hands all over your shitty keyboard typing “n—–, fuck face” and all that bullshit on here? You are a fucking retard, uneducated, hateful, and just an absolute waste of skin. Why don’t you go around south-central LA and start yelling that word out loud, and see what happens to you? We’ll just see if you come back in one piece. Fucking piece of americunt shit. Fucking white trash. I hope you get killed by a black person.
Your entire comment is PROFOUNDLY STUPID, but that really doesn’t surprise me. And gee, I thought you were the “land of the free”, and yet you allow yourself to be extorted? LOL, you truly ARE STUPID.
Tipping is a stupid custom. But guess what, it’s optional! That means you don’t HAVE to do it. And what happens if you don’t? Oh boy, you might get SHAMED by random nobodies and called “cheap”, among other things, and oh shit, we can’t have that! Waaah waaaaah. Who gives a fuck what other people think? Oh wait, you do.
Fucking pathetic weakling.
These people are ADULTS and THEY CHOSE to work in that occupation knowing perfectly well what it entails. They chose to work there, so either shut the fuck up, or go find a different job. That means: if you don’t like certain aspects, including, but no limited to: salary, guess what? There’s the door.
>Economy[sic] 101 states that if servers get paid a living wage your food price doubles. So just tip 20 percent. Or pay 100 percent more when shit changes.
LOLWUT
Retard, I can’t even tell what you’re saying, and neither can anyone else with a brain in their skull.
Vlad • Mar 15, 2020 at 3:48 pm
Look at his face, dumb as his article.
Fuck off Russtard • Oct 15, 2020 at 10:41 pm
Like your face is any better to look at, Vladdy Boy. Why don’t you try to make an actual counter-argument to his article, instead of using argumentum ad hominem attacks and insulting his looks? Oh wait, that would require such a level of thinking far beyond your very limited mental capacity. Retard.
cuebert1981 • Dec 7, 2018 at 11:44 am
I never tip by law it’s not illegal to tip that’s why I do not tip greedy servers did you know it was not customary for a server to be tipped it all started when a man brought in his mistress in london that is how tipping started it’s his his money and those of you who say we need to tipp to hell with you it’s not the damn law and for those of you who are arresting people over this bullcrap they will sue your ass so hard and shut you down tipping is not a law its called a gratuity fee for a reason boo hoo you busted ur ass off who the hell cares get a real job one that doesn’t pay minimum wage and for the restaurants who are encouraging this u will get sued for forcing people to pay a gratuity fee so fuck off I hate waiters cause they suck at service and two they never ask twice to refill drinks three they’re self entitled assholes who need to find a real job I will never eat at a restaurant due to this horseshit I could care less if u disagree with em or agree I will never fucking tip a server It’s my right…..
Magnus Steinberg • May 9, 2020 at 7:06 am
Fuck tipping. I did not become a millionaire by giving money away.
Matt • Nov 23, 2018 at 10:02 am
If you hate tipping and believe servers should not make a living wage which is what this article a VERY heavily implies, sure, never tip, but NEVER go out to eat again. I think you should be banned from every restraunt in the United States because you’re an awful person. You obviously support slavery because you believe people who serve you should be forced to be homeless. I’m 99.99999999% you’re a republican and likely against handouts and welfare. Well, win you tell everyone not to tip because it’s not your problem, servers are going to need programs you’re probably against. The fact that you know they get paid very little and STILL think people shouldn’t tip alone proves you’re a pathetic excuse for a human. In fact, I think you should be paid $3 an hour, though you probably make millions and simply don’t care about others because you’re nothing but a selfish, greedy psychopath who think everyone else should suffer. I hope you get into a terrible accident and die! I hate rich people, and you’re literally the main reason! I bet you support tax cuts for the rich and don’t actually care about the economy, you just want poor people to die! Screw you!
Hmmm. Can't tell if trolling, or just THAT stupid. • Oct 16, 2020 at 2:40 am
You can’t be THAT stupid, so this has to be a troll… but then again, you never know, considering that this is the internet.
Haley • Jun 20, 2018 at 1:43 pm
Wow ! this makes my blood boil. Unless you are in a sphere to create a larger policy change this shouldn’t even be a discussion. Servers, like myself, rely on tips to pay rent and put food on the table. Your “protest” will only negatively impact the server and the people they tip out. In a restaurant, when you tip, the server is not the only person you’re paying. Servers tip out their bartenders, back-waiters, runners, bussers, etc. At the end of the night, 30% of my tips go to those people. The percentage varies restaurant to restaurant, but the practice is the same. These people rely on the money I make from my tips as well, but also get paid a higher wage than me for doing a lot of my behind the scenes work, which is why I never get mad that I have to tip out, I know they made my job 10x easier. Also, in favor of the tipping model, this allows for a certain level of employment advancement, similar to a promotion in a normal corporate business model. If you start working at a cheap diner in high school, when you move to college you can apply to a nicer restaurant with higher food and beverage prices, which will in turn get you higher tips, and after that you can work at an even NICER place, etc. etc. Servers have to field a variety of questions, concerns, life threatening allergies, and nice to borderline cruel personalities table to table all at the same time, while trying to communicate what they need to the back of the house staff (who in some restaurants can be uncommunicative and unhelpful because the wages of chefs and managers do NOT rely on the happiness of the customer) and fix any problems that may arise. It is my firm belief that a server should at least a 20% tip if they got your food to you in a timely manner, helped answer your questions to the best of their ability, were generally pleasant, and fixed any problems that arose over the course of your visit to the restaurant. A tip should definitely be higher if you connected with them and they went above in beyond in their kindness and service, ESPECIALLY if the restaurant is crowded and busy and they still took the time to make sure you had an amazing experience. As an example of the true highs and lows of tipping I will provide an example. On New Years Day this year I was fielding a full section with many tables during a brunch at the very popular brunch spot I worked at. Because it was New Years and I provided such great service during an absolutely INSANE shift a nice man tipped me $50 on a $50 check and told me to have a Happy New Year. I literally had to take a second to go to the bathroom and cry at how generous he was and how much he turned around my hellish shift. After I came back from the bathroom, I cashed out the next table over from him, a table of tourists, and they tipped me $2 on a $75 check. They had gotten the same level of service as the man next to them, but could’ve devastated me when it came to tip out that day. Luckily the generous man evened them out so my tips that day were average for what they normally were, but if it hadn’t been for that man I easily could’ve gone home with no money for my trouble. ANYWAY this is an INCREDIBLY long winded way to say please tip your servers and this article is an absolute dumpster fire
Mel • Dec 30, 2020 at 2:43 am
I wonder, since you think you deserve a tip of 20% or more because you don’t make “a living wage” without it, do you report 100% of your tips as income? I make a higher wage than most servers but all of my income is reported and taxed. I waitressed after high school, I know most servers report very little of their tips. I don’t have a problem with tipping per se. If I receive excellent service I’m happy to leave a generous tip for my server. What I don’t agree with is every server expecting a tip regardless of the service they provide. If you give me basic service you are merely doing your job, why would you expect a gratuity for that? And it’s not just servers. Baristas, drivers, bellmen, you name it expect a tip for simply doing the job they were hired for. Not for going above and beyond, but just for showing up I guess. Ridiculous!
emily • May 21, 2018 at 10:11 pm
Heres at Tip: Don’t write a article when you have never worked in a restaurant before. thanks
If you don't like the article, nobody is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read it. • Oct 16, 2020 at 10:06 pm
He can write about whatever the FUCK HE WANTS. If you don’t like it, fuck off and go fuck yourself. Thanks.
Max • Feb 28, 2018 at 9:34 pm
It looks like that most of the negative comments came from the people who never traveled anywhere outside the US and because of that they didn’t have a chance to realize that tipping should be optional, not forced, and it should depend on the quality of service you receive (because that’s the way across the globe and the restaurant industry even in poor countries are not destroyed). Why should I tip for the bad food, rude waiter or any other negative aspect that restaurant (read the owner) is responsible for, and because of the imposed guilt, we feel that we must tip the waiter only because he/she is a human. The most important thing is the fact that author of the article said, employers should properly pay their employees (because they are humans!), to respect what law mandates and not to exploit them, and not to deceive the costumers by displaying the wrong prices, because you’ll end up paying much more. The whole system of “suggested” tip is wrong, and those of you who have called the author of the article insensitive, cheap or monster should think twice and maybe realize that fault lies in a country which allowed this.
David Wicik • Feb 27, 2018 at 9:07 am
As someone who has studied economics and worked in the service industry, I’ve got to tell you that there’s no easy solution here. Perhaps you are correct that service quality is not correlated with tip amount, but then why should it be, it’s not as if the server knows ahead of time how much a given customer will tip them. What I can say, with a near certainty is that service quality would decline if there were no prospect of a tip at all (and I have heard anecdotal evidence from travelers in Europe to support that assumption). Moreover, eliminating tipping and forcing employers to pay a living wage to service personal, while seemingly ideal, will nevertheless result in disemployment as many businesses will go under and fewer will be able to open. That, and, a significant portion of the wage increase will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher menu prices. The problem is that even in the best cases, the restaurant industry operates on remarkably slim profit margins (5% is a good year), and labor expense accounts for nearly a third of overhead. More than doubling that, as you propose, would likely cripple the industry for a long time. So until you have a complete path to solving this economic.ic conundrum, maybe you should stop being cheap and just tip your servers.
Well, Davy, the solution is obvious, and EASY too for that matter. • Oct 16, 2020 at 10:04 pm
There is an easy solution, Davy: nobody tips ever. Period. The best way to eliminate a stupid custom, such as tipping, is to not engage in it yourself. Just remember, as a consumer, you have POWER: if you think tipping is stupid, which it is mind you, THEN DON’T DO IT. It’s that SIMPLE. And fuck what Joe Blow and other nobodies on the internet say.
>What I can say, with a near certainty is that service quality would decline if there were no prospect of a tip at all (and I have heard anecdotal evidence from travelers in Europe to support that assumption).
Then those people shouldn’t be working in that occupation, if they refuse to do the job correctly. And since it’s an easy job, simply walking around, this is the type of job that will likely be replaced by machines in the future, that do everything perfectly, every single time, and much more efficiently. A restaurant server is really a worthless job, easily replaceable, and thus for them to feel so entitled to extra money from the customers, is quite frankly, bizarre.
>Moreover, eliminating tipping and forcing employers to pay a living wage to service personal, while seemingly ideal, will nevertheless result in disemployment[sic] as many businesses will go under and fewer will be able to open.
Well, the businesses are DOING THIS TO THEMSELVES. Completely and single-handedly. Employers MUST pay minimum wage, and if they can’t achieve this, well TOUGH SHIT.
If you’ve ever watched Gordon Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares, which are in fact REAL restaurants, ALL the failing businesses had a common theme: poor money management, debt management, and asset allocation. The fact is may restaurant owners are absolutely terrible with money; not all, but a lot. The ones who are not “money morons” should have NO PROBLEM paying their employees minimum wage, or greater.
And as a bit of a koan: The more that you ONLY care about money, the LESS money you make in the end, due to low quality goods and services.
And the thing is, they DO IT TO THEMSELVES.
>That, and, a significant portion of the wage increase will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher menu prices. The problem is that even in the best cases, the restaurant industry operates on remarkably slim profit margins (5% is a good year), and labor expense accounts for nearly a third of overhead. More than doubling that, as you propose, would likely cripple the industry for a long time.
Fuck the industry. Maybe the best thing to happen to it would be for it to collapse. I mean, it would certainly humble up a lot of people in the process, and realize that it’s the stupid ass culture of tipping, that was the real cause of their downfall. Besides, it’s much cheaper and easier just to stay home and cook things yourself, which is what I prefer.
The industry can go fuck itself, and humble the fuck up in the process, if it wants to continue existing.
>So until you have a complete path to solving this economic.ic[sic] conundrum, maybe you should stop being cheap and just tip your servers.
Like I said to others on here: I’ll DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT. Fuck your “economics” bullshit. Go fuck yourself. If you want to waste money like a fool, then do it, but don’t expect anyone with a brain in their skull to validate such a stupid decision.
Mary • Feb 26, 2018 at 2:28 pm
Your article demonstrates an overwhelming lack of knowledge about the industry. You know the saying, “write what you know”, well you clearly don’t know anything about the restaurant industry—so don’t write about it.
A little defensive, aren't we, Mary? Cry me a river. • Oct 16, 2020 at 9:44 pm
Oh boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river.
No need to get your little panties in a bunch, toots. And guess what, knowledge about “The Industry” is completely irrelevant here. Not only that, but like countless others before you, the only thing you can resort to is argumentum ad hominem attacks, instead of making a logical counter-argument to his article.
And assuming that you are (or were) a server, given how defensive you’ve gotten, just remember that YOU CHOSE TO WORK AT THAT JOB, you idiot. Stop being stupid. You chose to work in that occupation, so either gracefully accept all elements of the job, or fuck off, and find a different job.
And guess what, bitch? He can write about ANYTHING he wants. If you don’t like it, like I said earlier, fuck off. Shove it up your cunt.
Are you really THAT stupid?
KWynne • Feb 26, 2018 at 1:57 pm
Seriously? Word for word someone else wrote this. Bet I know who.
Brady • Feb 26, 2018 at 12:10 pm
I’m a bartender and I agree that tipping is a broken system. If we did agree one day to abolish tipping, then prices would increase to reflect the pay that bartenders and servers are earning in tips now. Prices wouldn’t stay static, they would go up about 20-25% at the minimum to reflect the increased wage costs to the owner.
The idea of the Bently driving bar owner is largely false. Yes you can earn a decent amount as the owner of a bar or restaurant, but the failure rate is high. Far more restaurant owners lose their homes than buy a yacht.
Your suggestion may as well be ‘hey everyone, you don’t HAVE TO give money to stripper! Just go and spend nothing, you’ll fix the system in no time!’ If it builds up to that point then the industry will have a huge correction, very quickly.
On a final note, if you strongly believe in your ‘no tipping’ policy enough, then you should be proud enough of it at the beginning of the meal to explain it to your server before you order your food and drinks, rather than smugly leaving at the end after having fixed a billion dollar market.
Troy • Feb 26, 2018 at 5:12 am
Thanks for justifying your decision to avoid giving money to people who provide you with a service that is partially paid for by others’ decision to give money to those people. You are reaping the benefits others are paying for you, to make up for the fact that you refuse to.
B • Feb 26, 2018 at 3:04 am
You are a monster.
Mr. M • Apr 22, 2019 at 1:28 pm
Lol at all of the entitlement in the comments attacking the author here. You servers want to make more money? Learn some skills and find a better fucking job like the rest of us.
No • Sep 23, 2020 at 7:52 pm
Fuck you
A Mirror. • Oct 15, 2020 at 11:18 pm
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The Truth • Oct 15, 2020 at 11:10 pm
Of course he is! Because he spoke the truth, which made you feel threatened. You chose to work in this occupation, knowing perfectly well what it entails, and what comes with its territory: either quit and find a different job, or shut the fuck up, accept all elements of the job with grace, and do the fucking job. Stop being an entitled idiot.
And also, like I responded to our friend Dick (Richard) at the bottom here, this is a prime example of a job that will likely be completely eliminated in the next 10-20 years, and taken over by machines. Just remember how replaceable you are. You’re not special: you’re only doing this job because we don’t yet have the technology to fully automate it, and thus requires human capital.
JESSE JOYAL • Feb 26, 2018 at 2:25 am
Wow the level of ignorance in this article. I’m 99%. Sure you wrote all this with the intention. To create outrage and attract readers… If that’s the case Bravo if you really believe what you wrote you are Beyond stupid and wsn needs to Brea all affiliation
WE WUZ KANGZ • Mar 30, 2021 at 10:24 pm
Did you have a fucking stroke, or something while typing that message, retard?
Randy • Feb 26, 2018 at 1:30 am
This is a fantastic example of “good thought, wrong solution”. The idea that withholding tips which amount to a majority of FOH workers money will somehow inspire employers to pay a higher wage is ludicrous, as you would essentially destroy an entire industry in the name of idealistic principles that 1. Have nothing to do with the people you’re screwing and 2. Should probably have been questioned and worked out in your high school writing class. Take up your issues with the people who are actually making the policy, not the people who figured out how to play the game. Not sure how this made it past an editor due to the insane level of ignorance. Maybe it didn’t.
Randall, maybe you should just jump off a bridge, given how stupid you are. • Oct 16, 2020 at 10:22 pm
>This is a fantastic example of “good thought, wrong solution”.
This is THE SOLUTION, you pussy ass bitch.
>The idea that withholding tips which amount to a majority of FOH workers money will somehow inspire employers to pay a higher wage is ludicrous, as you would essentially destroy an entire industry…
Good. Fuck the industry. If it wants to perpetuate such a stupid custom, then it deserves whatever suffering it endures. Fuck “The Industry”, you sycophantic dickrider Like I’ve said aleph one times already in this page: it’s your money; do whatever YOU WANT with it. You want to waste it? Go right ahead!
Quite frankly, nobody cares what some faceless nobody named “Randall” on the internet thinks.
>2. Should probably have been questioned and worked out in your high school writing class.
LOLWUT
>Take up your issues with the people who are actually making the policy, not the people who figured out how to play the game
There is no “game”, and there is no “policy”: just an EXTREMELY STUPID custom. Tipping is stupid, and by doing it yourself, you’re only perpetuating its existence.
The best way to eradicate a stupid social custom, such as tipping, is to not engage in it yourself. It’s THAT SIMPLE. And FUCK WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS. If a business can’t “afford” to pay their own employees at least minimum wage, then that business has bigger problems to worry about than their employees’ wages.
>Not sure how this made it past an editor due to the insane level of ignorance. Maybe it didn’t.
Argumentum ad hominem, once again, stupid americunt.
Jeremy DuBrul • Feb 26, 2018 at 1:23 am
Spend 6mo in a restaurant gig.
No other income, just being a waiter.
Then re-read your article.
what? • Feb 25, 2018 at 8:35 pm
This opinion piece displays a complete ignorance of the economics of the tipping model.
>The main argument in favor of tipping is that, without tips, the waiters will receive only their basic salary, which is too low. But is that really the customer’s problem?
100% of the costs to run a business are the customers problem. You know what you call a business where the customers don’t pay 100% of the costs of operation? Closed.
The tipping model actually saves you money.
Mike • Feb 25, 2018 at 6:44 pm
You realize if restaurant owners paid their employees a full minimum wage, the “sky high prices” you’re already complaining about would be about 25% higher, right?
Restaurant profit margins are typically very thin.. which is why so many fail. The tip credit is a great incentive that allows restaurants to stay afloat. It’s worked fantastically for decades. If you don’t want to tip that’s entirely your choice, as servers are compensated at least minimum wage either way, and the generosity of strangers vastly outweighs the minority in America who share your view.
Jasmina • Feb 25, 2018 at 6:42 pm
Some valid points were made in this article regarding the potential discriminatory practices inherent in tipping or the issues around how it’s only applied to waiters and bartenders. However, should you expect an employer to pay waiters and bartenders, you should also anticipate a 18%-20% rise in prices. Therefore, customers would end up paying the same, but now in contrast they would complain about the outrageous prices of menu items. You cant expect an employer to magically find the money for waiters and bartenders without it affecting your bill. And stiffing honest, hard working folk in order to challenge the state of things is not revolution – it’s assholeness. Find a better and sensical approach.
Andrew • Feb 25, 2018 at 6:12 pm
I get where you’re coming from but the ball is in the servers court to organize and demand higher wages. The truth is many servers don’t want a higher base wage because they can make far more per hour in tips than what even a very generous employer might offer. If you want to advocate on their behalf consider ways to get them organized instead of stiffing the waitstaff in some asenine attempt to show the owners of the establishment who’s right. The only thing you’re doing is saving yourself a few bucks. If you can’t afford to tip, don’t go out to eat.
The Truth • Oct 16, 2020 at 3:09 am
You know, Andrew, you started off with quite an intelligent comment, and then at the half-way point, it rapidly degenerated into a stupid one.
>I get where you’re coming from but the ball is in the servers court to organize and demand higher wages. The truth is many servers don’t want a higher base wage because they can make far more per hour in tips than what even a very generous employer might offer.
This is the only intelligent part of your comment; however, unfortunately, the rest is just really stupid.
As I’ve stated in my other replies here, these people CHOSE to work in that occupation, which means by choosing this occupation, you accept everything that comes with the territory of said occupation. In other words, if you don’t like your salary, you have TWO options:
1) Suck it up, and accept the fact that you’ve chosen this job, and everything that comes with it OR
2) QUIT the job, and find another one, that you enjoy, that offers a better salary.
>If you want to advocate on their behalf consider ways to get them organized instead of stiffing the waitstaff in some asenine[sic] attempt to show the owners of the establishment who’s right. The only thing you’re doing is saving yourself a few bucks.
Oh boy, what a stupid comment. And this is CLEARLY a current or former server speaking here. (Which begs the question, Andrew: If you don’t like what comes with the territory of the job, then why did you remain at said job? Huh?)
First of all: fuck “The Establishment”. And stop being a sycophantic dick sucker.
Second, tipping is a social custom, meaning that it is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL; if you want to spend (read: waste) more money than necessary, well, I guess that is completely your choice. But just because it’s your choice, doesn’t mean that it’s not stupid. And quite frankly, if you enjoy wasting your money, then you really don’t understand the value of money, and would likely rack up debt like a drunken sailor.
You know, Andy, a server is a brainless job; as I said in another comment: any idiot off the street, who can walk, can do this job. Anyone. All their job is, is simply to bring the customers their food and drink from the kitchen expedition shelf, and that’s it. And again, in the next 10-20 years, most of these types of jobs will be completely eliminated and taken over by machines, which are NOT entitled, DO NOT require any salary, DO NOT take smoking breaks, DO NOT cut corners, etc., etc, AND who do the job much more efficiently and quickly, than any human would. Do you see what I’m getting at?
A server’s job is worthless, and the only reason their occupation exists is because we simply don’t yet have the technology to automate it. It’s therefore quite bizarre, given what the job actually entails, for them to feel so entitled to extra money from the customers.
>If you can’t afford to tip, don’t go out to eat.
I’ll do what the fuck I want, BITCH, so go fuck yourself. How do you like that?
zyzzy • Feb 25, 2018 at 6:11 pm
you realise that if the employer paid their wait staff a living wage that yer food would cost more, right? so i you can’t afford to tip you really can’t afford to eat out. you can’t demand a service and then refuse to pay for it. when you get yer car fixed there’s a line on the bill that says “labor”. that’s yer “tip” for that service. if you go out to eat and don’t tip yer basically saying “i expect someone to bring me my food for free”. don’t like tipping? think it’s stupid? then eat at home.
Mitch • Apr 6, 2019 at 10:28 pm
Prices also have this thing called profit attached to them. You can adjust profit in your example, that would modify the price as well. Having little choice but to pay 15% – 20% tip on a bill is already a higher cost. That’s the whole rant here, the added cost. You are saying well, if you don’t pay a tip, then the servers wage will need to be higher, that’s just moving the cost around but stop there. A restaurant’s business and revenue model is thought out long before the first guest is served a dish. Just the fact that you need to make an adjustment in the way they make money to justify any point should spark the idea that something isn’t right. You are right about choosing to tip or eating at home, simple but true. The point is, that you can’t say that of buying a game at best buy or restaurants in other countries or fast food for that matter. A tip is socially hot wired and unique to restaurants like no other. Analyze the business model more accurately and you shouldn’t be surprised who is being a stealthy greedy cheapskate and the person paying the most and already overpaying, finishes the meal in the decisive spotlight of morality.
The Truth • Oct 16, 2020 at 10:40 pm
This is addressed to both “Mitch” and “zyzzy”.
Tipping is a completely OPTIONAL social custom. You do whatever you want; after all, it’s your money at the end of the day.
Tipping is a stupid social custom, and the best way to eradicate it, is to simply not engage in it yourself, and encourage others around you not to do so either.
People who shame and throw around words like “cheap”, are just very insecure individuals who want their beliefs and actions validated: that “tipping is the right thing to do”. And by not doing it yourself, you’re not validating their decision, but rather, challenging and invalidating it.
That’s the reason people shame in general. Now, intellectually, you may think that logically they would’t care, because it doesn’t affect them one iota; your decision has NOTHING to do with them, but yet, very curiously, they care a great deal about it. Why? Because they are seeking validation for their own thoughts, beliefs, personal convictions, actions, etc. despite, ironically, being so “set in their ways”.
But, who GIVES A FUCK what these money morons think? Fuck them. Nobody tells me what to do. I’ll do whatever the FUCK I WANT. So go fuck yourself.
>realise
And gee, I though tipping was an americunt thing only, but for some reason this limey (given how he spelled the word “realize”) is also defending the stupid custom as well.
>don’t like tipping? think it’s stupid? then eat at home.
Hahaha, shut the fuck up retard. I’ll do what the fuck I want, so like I said: go fuck yourself. And also, learn to toipe, moite.
Anthony G • Dec 25, 2020 at 2:10 pm
Funniest thing about tipped employees is that most of them would not stay at their jobs if tipping was eliminated. Most of them who stayed would definitely lower their level of service, why rush around for a customer? Have you ever been at a clothing store and the employee went out of their way to hurry up and help you? No, they take their time, finish what their doing before helping you.
Tipping being eliminated would not affect most of my friends or me that much because we’d just get a different job or career path(most of the servers I know do have college degrees). Shrug. Have fun going to a high end restaurant without there being tips. You definitely will not have the same experience, because in the Americas at least, employers will not pay a high enough rate for quality waiters to stick around.
Mel • Dec 30, 2020 at 2:09 am
Awesome. Just awesome!
Mel • Dec 30, 2020 at 2:12 am
This reply was supposed to appear in response to The Truth’s post ? Guess I screwed that up!